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		<title>By: Cowboy</title>
		<link>http://www.pokermoments.com/online-poker/adopting-the-quaker-approach-to-poker/comment-page-1/#comment-942</link>
		<dc:creator>Cowboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jul 2006 12:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should note that I did technical investing for a summer one time, and I got excessively addicted.  There is a huge rush as you anticipate the timing of your buys and sales.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should note that I did technical investing for a summer one time, and I got excessively addicted.  There is a huge rush as you anticipate the timing of your buys and sales.</p>
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		<title>By: Cowboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cowboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jul 2006 12:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>QuietStorm is wrong on several counts.

First of all, for the technical investors out there, investing can be even more addicting than gambling, because with investing, you actually stand a greater chance of gaining money if you follow some basic principles.  The stock market rises over time...it is not a zero sum game.  The stock market runs on human production at its base, gambling does not.

Second of all, QuietStorm is wrong that the majority of investing is done by technical investors (maybe the majority of trades, but not the majority of money).  The majority of investing is actually done by people who are putting their trust in other people to handle their money wisely.  In other words, the majority of investing is done in mutual funds, 401k plans and pension funds.  Most of the managers of these funds do not do short-trade technical investing as a primary investing strategy.  Most of them do long-term, low-turnover investing in companies that they either see as 1) having high growth prospects or 2) being priced irrationally low.  

In both cases, managers project these properties onto the companies based on the abilities of the companies to turn products and services into profits.

Now QuietStorm is right about one thing: most people who invest don&#039;t have the slightest clue about why the stock market works - they&#039;ve just been told to do it because they&#039;ll make more money in equities than elsewhere.  But that doesn&#039;t mean that their money isn&#039;t being invested according to some of the sensible principles I discussed above.

Of course some investment managers don&#039;t know what they are doing either, but that doesn&#039;t change what I&#039;ve said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>QuietStorm is wrong on several counts.</p>
<p>First of all, for the technical investors out there, investing can be even more addicting than gambling, because with investing, you actually stand a greater chance of gaining money if you follow some basic principles.  The stock market rises over time&#8230;it is not a zero sum game.  The stock market runs on human production at its base, gambling does not.</p>
<p>Second of all, QuietStorm is wrong that the majority of investing is done by technical investors (maybe the majority of trades, but not the majority of money).  The majority of investing is actually done by people who are putting their trust in other people to handle their money wisely.  In other words, the majority of investing is done in mutual funds, 401k plans and pension funds.  Most of the managers of these funds do not do short-trade technical investing as a primary investing strategy.  Most of them do long-term, low-turnover investing in companies that they either see as 1) having high growth prospects or 2) being priced irrationally low.  </p>
<p>In both cases, managers project these properties onto the companies based on the abilities of the companies to turn products and services into profits.</p>
<p>Now QuietStorm is right about one thing: most people who invest don&#8217;t have the slightest clue about why the stock market works &#8211; they&#8217;ve just been told to do it because they&#8217;ll make more money in equities than elsewhere.  But that doesn&#8217;t mean that their money isn&#8217;t being invested according to some of the sensible principles I discussed above.</p>
<p>Of course some investment managers don&#8217;t know what they are doing either, but that doesn&#8217;t change what I&#8217;ve said.</p>
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		<title>By: Suber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jul 2006 02:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Based on Sparky&#039;s last comment, I infer that she and I just have different ethical foundations.  Sparky thinks that she has an ethical obligatgion to use her time to put her skills and talents to use to make the world a better place.  I, on the other hand, believe that one has an ethical obligation to use one&#039;s time to aspire to personal excellence. 
 
Let me share the words of the philosopher Richard Taylor:

&quot;[H]uman beings have the capacity to think, reason, and create things.  No other creatures do.  This is the uniquely human function, the source of all worth, as it is exemplified in people like Beethoven, Edna St. Vincent Millay, Plato, Picasso, as well as singularly resourceful and courageous leaders like Winston Churchill, Malcolm X., Martin Luther King, Benjamin Franklin, and so on.  It is people like those who count, that have singular worth, and their virtues are what we should aspire to - not for any utility that derives from them, but because they are uniquely good.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Based on Sparky&#8217;s last comment, I infer that she and I just have different ethical foundations.  Sparky thinks that she has an ethical obligatgion to use her time to put her skills and talents to use to make the world a better place.  I, on the other hand, believe that one has an ethical obligation to use one&#8217;s time to aspire to personal excellence. </p>
<p>Let me share the words of the philosopher Richard Taylor:</p>
<p>&#8220;[H]uman beings have the capacity to think, reason, and create things.  No other creatures do.  This is the uniquely human function, the source of all worth, as it is exemplified in people like Beethoven, Edna St. Vincent Millay, Plato, Picasso, as well as singularly resourceful and courageous leaders like Winston Churchill, Malcolm X., Martin Luther King, Benjamin Franklin, and so on.  It is people like those who count, that have singular worth, and their virtues are what we should aspire to &#8211; not for any utility that derives from them, but because they are uniquely good.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: sparky</title>
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		<dc:creator>sparky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jul 2006 00:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If, Suber, you felt LED to play poker as your job, that God was directing you to do this, that would be between you and God. But Quakers also have &quot;corporate discernment,&quot; which means you put your individual leading before the community, to see if your leading makes sense to your Quaker community. That is where you may run into problems with your wanting to play poker as your job.

I have to also decide if I&#039;m making the best use of my time, to put my skills and talents to use, to make the world a better place. (But, sadly, perhaps this IS what Penn best prepares their graduates for.  :)  )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If, Suber, you felt LED to play poker as your job, that God was directing you to do this, that would be between you and God. But Quakers also have &#8220;corporate discernment,&#8221; which means you put your individual leading before the community, to see if your leading makes sense to your Quaker community. That is where you may run into problems with your wanting to play poker as your job.</p>
<p>I have to also decide if I&#8217;m making the best use of my time, to put my skills and talents to use, to make the world a better place. (But, sadly, perhaps this IS what Penn best prepares their graduates for.  <img src='http://www.pokermoments.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   )</p>
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		<title>By: QuietStorm</title>
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		<dc:creator>QuietStorm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jul 2006 23:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is described above as investing is not accurate. Very few people give money to a company when they buy shares. Most stock trading is in the secondary market. Shares are purchased not from the company but from another individual or institution. And there are hordes of technical traders and program traders who don&#039;t even know the companies they are buying, only the patterns of price, volume and other trading parameters. There is really nothing to distinguish stock trading as practiced by the majority from games of chance other than the sorts of people you mix with. It&#039;s wine versus beer, coke versus crack.

Stock trading does not provide the sort of quick high that poker does and therefore does not tend to addict. Once again, I suspect that is why religions don&#039;t view it as negatively.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is described above as investing is not accurate. Very few people give money to a company when they buy shares. Most stock trading is in the secondary market. Shares are purchased not from the company but from another individual or institution. And there are hordes of technical traders and program traders who don&#8217;t even know the companies they are buying, only the patterns of price, volume and other trading parameters. There is really nothing to distinguish stock trading as practiced by the majority from games of chance other than the sorts of people you mix with. It&#8217;s wine versus beer, coke versus crack.</p>
<p>Stock trading does not provide the sort of quick high that poker does and therefore does not tend to addict. Once again, I suspect that is why religions don&#8217;t view it as negatively.</p>
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