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		<title>From $5 to $564 &#8211; Am I turning into a poker shark?</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2006 15:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Suber</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;ve won $564!!!Â  You heard me.Â  $564!!!!Â  And it allÂ started with a measly $5Â no-deposit bonus at JonWoodGaming. I didn&#8217;t win all of the $564 at JWG.Â  $464 was won at JWG, and as I&#8217;ve explained in a previous post much of this money &#8211; I would estimate about half &#8211; was won because there was [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve won $564!!!Â  You heard me.Â  $564!!!!Â  And it allÂ started with a measly $5Â no-deposit bonus at <a href="http://www.jonwoodgaming.com/main.html">JonWoodGaming</a>.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t win all of the $564 at JWG.Â  $464 was won at JWG, and as I&#8217;ve explained in a previous <a href="http://www.pokermoments.com/stories/a-major-problem-at-jonwoodgaming-an-unbelievable-poker-story/">post</a> much of this money &#8211; I would estimate about half &#8211; was won because there was a bug in their site.Â  The remainingÂ $100 I won at <a href="http://www.holdempoker.com/player/">Hold&#8217;em Poker</a>.Â </p>
<p>I started playing at Hold&#8217;em Poker because I joined this site called <a href="http://www.emperesspoker.com/pages/enter.php">Emperesspoker</a>, where you get paid to click on links to poker rooms (I know pathetic).Â  You get $5 for joining the site and you need to click on $195 worth of links in order to get any money from them (you can click on about $.5 worth of links a day).Â  You alsoÂ need to become a real money player at one of their affiliated poker rooms, such as Hold&#8217;em Poker.Â </p>
<p><span id="more-187"></span>I am quite averse to depositing any of my own money into a poker room, especially since my track record in poker rooms prior to JWG hasn&#8217;t been stellar.Â  But I figured thatÂ I could justify a deposit of $25,Â givenÂ my success at JWG.Â  And I&#8217;m glad I made this decision.Â Â Until last night, when I lost about $8, I&#8217;ve won money every dayÂ at the site since I&#8217;ve joined, and I think that this winning streak has been going on forÂ about three weeks, playing almost every day.Â </p>
<p>WhenÂ I play at Hold&#8217;em IÂ almost always play at the $.1/.1 no-limit tables, where the maximum number of players is five.Â Â I usually start with $10, the maximum you can start with at one of these tables.Â  If I start out winning, then I let myself play until I get bored, which is about anÂ hour or so.Â  However,Â I typically start out losing.Â  I then resolve that if I can get back to at least a 1$ up, I will quit, and I have been amazingly successful at doing this.Â  Of course, this approach doesn&#8217;t allow for making too much money, and that is in large part why I&#8217;ve won only $100 at the site.Â  But playing this way makes it such thatÂ I won&#8217;t play forever.Â  And I think that it also helps me to win money more consistently.Â  I notice that when I try to keep on winning, I get greedy, and as a result, I often make poor, costly decisions.</p>
<p>Playing poker at Hold&#8217;em is quite different from playing poker at JWG.Â  At Hold&#8217;em the hands move much more quickly, there is no chatting, there are many many more players and different types of tables you can play at.Â  It is a much more polished and typical type of poker room.Â  This is not to say that I prefer it over JWG.Â Â  If I&#8217;m not in a rush and I want to chat and have a friendly type of game, I go to JWG.Â  If I just want to play a lot of hands, and I&#8217;m in the mood for an effecient poker experience, then I go to Hold&#8217;em.Â </p>
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		<title>LTD Poker is a Scam</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Aug 2006 16:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Suber</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have lost my patience with LTD Poker. I thought I was going to get a $50 bonus from them for signing up with Noble Poker, as indicated on their website. However, after about a month of waiting I have received nothing, nada, zilch. I would get replies to my email querries, initially indicating that [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have lost my patience with LTD Poker. I thought I was going to get a $50 bonus from them for signing up with Noble Poker, as indicated on their website. However, after about a month of waiting I have received nothing, nada, zilch. I would get replies to my email querries, initially indicating that everything looked good and that I should get my money as soon as the &#8220;stats&#8221; came through. But after about a dozen emails with different changing stories I have come to believe that I&#8217;ve just been getting the runaround. LTD most recently told me that they would deposit the bonus money into my Neteller account, but I needed to have it certified. I did this, and then they said it needed to be a Premium account. It is not stated on their site that you need a Premium account.Â  Americans, like myself, cannot get Premium accounts.Â  And according to Neteller people, the Premium account has more limitations than a certfied account, and so there is no valid reason whyÂ LTD cannot make a peer-to-peer transfer. I let LTD know all of this.Â  In fact, I copied and pasted to one of my emails the chat discussion I had with a Neteller official.Â Â I never heard any reply back from them.Â  I think that we have good evidence that LTD is a bogus affiliate.Â  If hell freezes over, and I get the bonus, then I will gladly retract these comments.Â  But until then, I suggest that you don&#8217;t waste your time with them.Â  You will just end up being extremelyÂ frustrated.</p>
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		<title>Free Money to Play Poker Online</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 01:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Suber</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;m always looking for opportunities to play online poker without having to pay any money.Â  I recently found such an opportunity at PokerSourceOnline.Â  They&#8217;re this affiliate that gives you stuff &#8211; eg poker books, poker chips, poker tables &#8211; if you sign up with an online poker room that they sponsor.Â  I believe that to [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m always looking for opportunities to play online poker without having to pay any money.Â  I recently found such an opportunity at <a href="http://www.pokersourceonline.com/">PokerSourceOnline</a>.Â  They&#8217;re this affiliate that gives you stuff &#8211; eg poker books, poker chips, poker tables &#8211; if you sign up with an online poker room that they sponsor.Â  I believe that to get the stuff you have to play a certain amount of raked hands at the poker room. But I&#8217;m not sure howÂ it works, because I don&#8217;t need stuff.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pokersourceonline.com/">PSO</a> also offers an opportunity to get real money for FREE if you sign up with either <strong>Titan</strong> or <strong>Party</strong>, and you don&#8217;t evenÂ have to give your credit card information.Â  What a deal!Â  Of course, there&#8217;s a catch, namely you have to play a certain amount of raked hands in order toÂ cash out your money.Â Â  But this beats playing for play money any day of the week, and the more experience the better.</p>
<p>I signed up with <strong>Titan</strong>, because I already have a Party account, and if you have an account with either place, then you&#8217;re not eligible for the deal.Â  I got $50 (it took about 5 days before the money got into my account, but they warn you that it takes this long in advance), and then I had to play enough hands toÂ accumulate 4500 Titan points.Â  I&#8217;ve been playing the last two days for aboutÂ 8 hours at the $0.50/$1 tables and I&#8217;ve accumulated about 325 points.Â  I&#8217;ll let you do the math to figure how long it will be before I can get paid, so to speak.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s assuming,of course, that there will be any money leftÂ in my account when I get to the 4500Â tpÂ mark.Â  As of now, I&#8217;m down to my last $10.Â  I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ll be in for much more.Â  You&#8217;ll find out tomorrow.</p>
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		<title>My Initial Thoughts On Rakeback Programs</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 May 2006 15:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Suber</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;ve been reading up on rakeback programs and the alleged problems with them and I don&#8217;t really understand why so many people are opposed to them, at least on ethical grounds. The concept of a rakeback isn&#8217;t difficult to understand. It is based on the concept of the rake. Out of every pot the poker [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been reading up on rakeback programs and the alleged problems with them and I don&#8217;t really understand why so many people are opposed to them, at least on ethical grounds.</p>
<p>The concept of a <strong><em>rakeback</em></strong> isn&#8217;t difficult to understand.  It is based on the concept of the <em><strong>rake</strong></em>.  Out of every pot the poker room takes out a percentage of the money as a commission.  This fee is the rake.  It&#8217;s how the poker room makes money.  If you have contributed to the pot, no matter what amount, then you have generated part of the rake.  How much have you generated?  Your contribution depends on how many players there are in the hand.  Approximately, your contribution to the rake for each hand you play is about %5 of the pot divided by the number of players in the hand.  So, for example, if the pot is $60 and there are 10 players, then you have generated $0.30 for the poker room.  And that&#8217;s just one hand!  The <strong>rakeback</strong> is a percentage of the rake returned to the player as an incentive to play.  In other words, the commision is &#8220;split&#8221; between the house and the player.</p>
<p>I believe that that many, but not all, online poker rooms offer rakeback, but it is the affiliates that by and large run these programs, and that you need to sign up with the poker rooms through them in order to get your rakeback.  This means that the commission really gets &#8220;split&#8221; three ways, between you, the house, and the affiliate.  I checked out <a href="http://www.rakeback.com/">www.rakeback.com</a> and they said they get up to %40 rakeback of which they give %95 back to the player.  Not a bad deal, or so it seems.</p>
<p>When I first read about rakebacks, I thought that it was a no-brainer.   How could you not love them?   If you were not getting rakeback, you were just wasting your money.  I still think this way, but I am not so confident with my belief.  After reading some articles and a bunch of posts in discussion rooms, I see that many affiliates think that rakeback programs should not be allowed.  It seems to me that their main criticism of rakeback affiliates is that a number of them are unscrupulous, because they</p>
<p>(1) don&#8217;t always give the rakeback they promise</p>
<p>(2) spam poker chat rooms and forums and even hire players to spam for them</p>
<p>(3) try to poach players that have been signed up with other affiliates by teaching them how to create false identities to open up multiple accounts</p>
<p>These are, no doubt, all unethical practices.  Is this a good reason to be opposed to affiliates who offer honest rakeback programs?   Not in my estimation, unless the majority of rakeback affiliates are dishonest, which I see no evidence for.</p>
<p>I can understand why affiliates who do not offer rakeback plans feel pressure to do so.  It is not in their financial interest to be in competition with rakeback affiliates.  They can&#8217;t win.  While this is a reason to be opposed to rakeback affiliates, it is hardly an ethical one, unless you are an <em>ethical egoist</em>.  But I doubt that egoism is really an ethical theory.  So as of now, I see no good ethical reason to be opposed to honest affiliates that run rakeback programs.</p>
<p>I think that if you do become an affiliate it would be in your best financial self-interest to offer a rakeback plan.  And if you don&#8217;t offer one as an affiliate, then you may be swallowed by the rakeback wave of the future.</p>
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		<title>A Poker Affiliate Co-Operative?</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 May 2006 16:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>gaunilo</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Suber&#8217;s thoughts on poker affiliate kickbacks got me thinking.Â  What if we setup a Poker Affiliate Co-operative whereby the only requirement for membership is that you signup through our affiliate program and play the appropriate amount of real money so that we get our incentive.Â  Once a member, you receive an initial bonus ($50 for [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suber&#8217;s thoughts on <a href="http://www.pokermoments.com/online-poker/tell-a-friend/">poker affiliate kickbacks</a> got me thinking.Â  What if we setup a Poker Affiliate Co-operative whereby the only requirement for membership is that you signup through our affiliate program and play the appropriate amount of real money so that we get our incentive.Â  Once a member, you receive an initial bonus ($50 for example) plus ongoing profit sharing.Â  So when the next guy signs up, you get a cut of the affiliate bonus.</p>
<p>The system would have to work on a &#8220;share&#8221; model similar to mutual funds, so that profits were split evenly by all members.</p>
<p>Thoughts?</p>
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